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k-g
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Posted - 10/02/2015 :  4:55:15 PM  Show Profile Send k-g a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't think we had this anywhere, as it would have been a sticky. This is an old post by "FEG" from an older CZForum.com, which I couldn't find in the current one:
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CZ MAGAZINE COMPATIBILITY LIST
Edited by: FEG at: 9/23/03 12:36 am

The purpose of this list is to provide people with as much information as possible concerning the compatibility between CZ (Ceska Zbrojovka) magazines and those of the Tanfoglio and other clones. This is still a work in progress.

This thread is intended for CZ owners. There will be a version for Tanfoglio and other clones. I have done this in the interests of brevity, since the all of the info can't be crammed into one post. I am working under the assumption that users already own a particular make/model, and they are looking for which magazines will fit.

I would like to thank everyone who participated in collecting the information for this list.


Legal Issues:

Altering a pre- or post-ban magazine with a capacity of 10 or less in order for it to hold more than the original number of rounds (for its original caliber) is considered "manufacturing" and is illegal. This would include changing out baseplates or followers or modifying existing followers to increase capacity.

It is unclear whether altering a legal pre-ban high capacity magazine so that it will hold additional rounds is illegal. The general opinion of those in the shooting community is that further alterations to "legal" high-capacity magazines are probably legal, but we at the CZ Forum do NOT know this to be true -- and have been unable to obtain a definitive answer on this matter. (For example, we have been told that adding +2 baseplates to a pre-ban hi-cap Glock mag is legal, but adding that same +2 baseplates to a 10-round mag, either pre- or post-ban is not legal. Vendors selling the devices legally affirm this interpretation.) Proceed at your own risk when altering legal high capacity magazines.

Altering a magazine designed for one weapon to work in a different weapon (thereby increasing the number of rounds available in that different weapon) is legal, as long as the altered magazine still functions properly in the gun for which it was originally designed. Apparently, this can include cutting new magazine release notches.

Using a magazine designed for a larger round in a gun of a smaller caliber (such as a .40 mag in a 9mm weapon) is apparently legal -- as long as the device has NOT been altered in any way. Bending the feed lips to allow proper function in the lower-caliber gun might constitute "manufacturing" if the altered device no longer works properly in the weapon for which it was originally made.

Proceed at your own risk whem modifying magazines. Personally, I do not recommend altering magazines. There could be legal ramifications, and they will never work as well as magazines designed for the pistol in question.


GENERAL INFORMATION:

1) “Factory” Magazines: This term can be very misleading. As a CZF member once remarked, “presumably all magazines are made in a factory somewhere.” CZ has used many different magazine suppliers in the last 60 years, and mags provided by CZ do not normally have markings (apart from the witness holes). As used in this FAQ article, the term “factory magazine” means a magazine issued as OEM with the relevant pistol, or one exactly like it in all regards. For the purposes of this article, an aftermarket magazine is one marketed by an independent firm (i.e. Mec-Gar, Pro Mag, etc.).

2) Format: The information is broken down by CZ model. If the model is available in more than one caliber, they are listed separately. This will make some of the entries a bit redundant, but it should make it easier to find the info that you need.


Index of CZ Models Covered Below:
1) 9mm CZ 75/85 Series and Full-Size Variants
2) 40 S&W CZ 75B and Full-Size Variants
3) 9mm CZ 75 Compact and Compact Variants
4) CZ 82/83 Series Pistols
5) CZ 97B
6) CZ 40B
7) CZ 100 Series Pistols



CESKA ZBROJOVKA PISTOLS

1) 9mm CZ 75/85 Series and Full-Size Variants:
CZ 75 Semi-Compact, CZ 75B, CZ 75B Tactical, CZ 75B Semi-Compact, CZ 75B SA (9mm), CZ 75BD, CZ 75 DAO, CZ 85B, CZ 85 Combat

CZ Factory Magazines:

The grip frames are different on Type A and Type B pistols. For magazine purposes, a “transitional” pre-B IS a Type B, since it has that style grip frame (square trigger guard). The magazine well on a Type A is slightly narrower than on a Type B. Aftermarket magazines designed for B series CZs WILL NOT fit a Type A CZ 75/85. Only factory magazines are 100% compatible between Type A and Type B 75/85 series pistols.

Otherwise, the CZ 75 takes the same magazines as the CZ 85, and the CZ 75B takes the same magazines as the 85B. This is also true of the 75B/85B variants. That is, the 75B, 75BD, 75B SA, 85B, 85 Combat etc. all take the same magazines. The CZ 75 Semi-Compact has the same full-length grip frame as a CZ 75. The CZ 75B Semi-Compact has the same full-length grip frame as a CZ 75B.

Tanfoglio (EAA) Factory Magazines:

The magazines from older, pre series 88 Tanfoglio clones (i.e. TZ 75, Springfield P9, etc.) will fit the Type A CZs. The later magazines built for the series 88 frames do not fit in the earlier Tanfoglio pistols or the Type A CZ75/85. Since these were all made before the Crime Bill was passed, there are no 10 round magazines of this type.

The later 9mm magazines built for the series 88 frames will work with the CZ 75B/85B and variants. This includes both 10 round and 16 round versions. These are typically referred to as full-size 9mm EAA Witness magazines. The 16 round mags will stick out of a CZ grip frame by 1/8.” The Witness magazines may require some fitting with a file, as the mag release notches are slightly different. To fit a CZ, the file must be used to enlarge the top of the notch.

The full-size, 12 round .40 S&W/.41 AE EAA Witness mags will generally work in the 9mm 75B/85B and variants. The full-size, 10 and 12 round .40 S&W EAA mags also work. The mag release notch may need to be enlarged on the top side to allow it to release properly. If using 9mm rounds, the 12 round versions will hold an extra round or two. (We think this is legal, since nothing has been altered and the mag still works in the gun for which it was made -- two key legal requirements. Proceed at your own risk.) Loading a 10 round .40 S&W mag with 9mm is a violation of BATF regulations.

Israeli Military Industries (Magnum Research) Magazines:

Magnum Research is the importer for the Baby Eagle, Jericho 941, etc. These are pistols assembled in Israel from a combination of Tanfoglio and IMI parts. Magnum Research also imported some true Ceska Zbrojovka pistols before CZ-USA became the sole importer. At the moment, we are discussing the magazines that are OEM for the Baby Eagle, Jericho 941, etc.

Older full-size 9mm Magnum Research magazines for the Baby Eagle, etc. are apparently identical to full-size Tanfoglio (EAA) magazines. More recent full-size mags for the Baby Eagle, etc. appear to be made by Ramline. These will generally work in the CZ75B/85B and full-sized variants (see below).

Aftermarket Magazines:

The manufacturer almost always marks aftermarket magazines with their brand name. There do not seem to be any aftermarket magazines that will fit the Type A CZ 75/85. If there are any, they must be very rare. Since people are more interested in 15 round magazines, I am mostly restricting my comments to them.

Mec-Gars are the most highly regarded aftermarket mags for the 75B/85B and variants. They never require any fitting or tweaking. Mec-Gar is now the OEM supplier for CZ-USA imports, which means that they are no longer sold as aftermarket mags. Even the old Mec-Gar 15 rounders won’t fit a Type A. This may mean that new 15 round CZ factory mags will not be compatible with Type As when the magazine ban sunsets.

Pro-Mag 10 and 15 round mags will work in the 75B/85B and variants, but not Type As. They may require minor fitting, and every once in a while you may get one that just won’t fit at all. Mag springs may need to be replaced in a year or so.

Ramline 10 round mags for the full-sized 9mm EAA Witness will work in the 75B/85B and variants, but not Type As. The mag release notch may need to be enlarged (on the top side). These are of an unusual design; they use a coil spring attached to the follower and riveted to the tube. These mags cannot be repaired. If they go bad, you'll have to use the tube, and buy parts. They have been selling for $5-$10, so they could be considered "disposable."

USA Mags marketed for the CZ and Tanfoglio pistols can often be made to work in the 75B/85B and variants, but many are lost causes. Generally speaking, they don't seem worth the time, effort, and money. USA mags are available in both 10 and 15 rounds, and I would not even consider trying the 10 round mags. When one of the large chains are selling aftermarket mags, but aren’t advertising the brand, they are almost always either USA or Forrest. Forrest mags are even lower quality than USA mags.


2) .40 S&W CZ 75B and Full-Size Variants:
CZ 75B SA (.40) and CZ 75 DAO (.40)

CZ Factory Magazines:

As with the 9mm versions, the .40 S&W CZ 75B and its variants, the CZ 75B SA (.40) and CZ 75 DAO (.40), take the same magazines. There are no Type A CZs in .40, so that is not a concern.

Magazines for the CZ 40B will fit the 75B (.40) if the base plate is replaced. This is not a violation if you are not changing the capacity.

Tanfoglio (EAA) Factory Magazines:

The full-size, 12 round .40 S&W/.41 AE EAA Witness mags will generally work in the 75B (.40) and 75B SA (.40). The 10 and 12 round .40 S&W EAA Witness mags also work. The mag release notch may need to be enlarged on the top side to allow it to release properly.

Israeli Military Industries (Magnum Research) Magazines:

IMI developed the .41 AE cartridge, and they produced a wide variety of magazines for the Baby Eagle, Jericho, etc. in this caliber before the magazine ban. These should fit the .40 S&W CZ 75B and CZ 75B SA with some minor fitting. 12 round versions seem to be more common, but they are all relatively rare.

The current 10 round mags for the full-sized IMI/Magnum Research pistols in .40 S&W should also work on the CZs with some minor fitting.

Aftermarket Magazines:

Since the introduction of the CZ 75B in .40 roughly coincided with the Crime Bill deadline, there do not seem to be any aftermarket magazines expressly for the CZs with capacities greater than 10. 10 round versions are available, see comments on the 9mm versions from these companies above. Aftermarket mags for the Tanfoglio and IMI pistols that hold greater than 10 rounds do not seem to be available. If they are available, they would require some fitting at the very least.


3) 9mm CZ 75 Compact and Compact Variants:
CZ 75B Compact, CZ 75D PCR Compact, CZ 75 P-01

CZ Factory Magazines:

Although Type A CZ 75 Compacts were imported into the U.S., they are exceptionally rare. These can be distinguished from a CZ 75B Compact by the round trigger guard. (CZ 75B Compacts are actually marked “CZ 75 Compact” on the slide.) As with full sized models, the grip frames are different on Type A and Type B Compacts. We at CZF are not sure whether any “transitional” Compacts were manufactured or not. Presumably, the magazine well on a Type A is slightly narrower than on a Type B, and aftermarket magazines designed for B series CZs WILL NOT fit a Type A CZ 75 Compact. Only factory magazines are 100% compatible between Type A and Type B 75/85 series pistols. OEM magazines provided with a Type A CZ 75 Compact hold 13 rounds, since this would proceed the Crime Bill.

9mm factory magazines for the CZ 75 Compact are 100% interchangeable between all of the models: CZ 75B Compact, PCR, and P-01. Some of the earliest Type B CZ 75 Compacts had 13 round magazines as OEM, but these are also rare. The PCR and P-01 have always had 10 round magazines as OEM in the U.S., due to their release dates.

9mm CZ factory magazines for full-sized 9mm CZ 75/85 series pistols will fit and function in the CZ 75 Compacts (all versions), but they do not fit flush.

Tanfoglio (EAA) Factory Magazines:

Full-size factory EAA Witness magazines will fit and function in the CZ 75B Compacts (all versions), but they do not fit flush. The Type A CZ 75 Compact should only take older full-sized Tanfoglio magazines. They may require some fitting of the magazine release notch. See the comments in section #1 above.

Since the magazines from older, pre series 88 Tanfoglio clones (i.e. TZ 75, Springfield P9, etc.) will fit the Type A CZs, I assume that only older Tanfoglio 9mm compact magazines will fit a Type A CZ 75 Compact. Since the later magazines built for the series 88 frames do not fit in the earlier Tanfoglio pistols or the Type A CZ75/85, I assume that they will NOT fit a Type A CZ 75 Compact. The pre 88 series Tanfoglios were all made before the Crime Bill was passed, so there should be no 10 round magazines of this type.

The later 9mm compact magazines built for the series 88 frames will work with the CZ 75B Compacts (all versions). As with CZ factory magazines, the vast majority of factory EAA Witness magazines for the 9mm compacts are 10 rounds, but there are some 13 round magazines in the U.S. The high capacity Witness compact mags may stick out slightly in a CZ Compact. The Witness magazines may require some fitting with a file, as the mag release notches are slightly different. To fit a CZ, the file must be used to enlarge the top of the notch.

Israeli Military Industries (Magnum Research) Magazines:

Full-size factory Baby Eagle/Jericho magazines will fit and function in the CZ 75B Compacts (all versions), but they do not fit flush. Presumably, these do NOT fit the Type A CZ 75 Compact. They may require some fitting of the magazine release notch. See the comments in section #1 above.

Factory 9mm Compact Baby Eagle magazines will not fit the EAA Witness Compacts due to mag bumper size. Presumably, this means they will not fit the CZ Compacts either.

Aftermarket Magazines:

The major aftermarket manufacturers do not seem to have made 13 round 9mm magazines for the CZ, Tanfoglio, or IMI Compacts. Full-size aftermarket magazines for the 9mm 75/85 series pistols will fit and function, but they will not fit flush. See section #1 above for comments on general quality and fit. Pro Mag makes a 10 round aftermarket magazine that will fit the CZ 75B Compacts (all versions), but not the Type A CZ 75 Compact.

Pro-Mag makes a 10 round magazine for the CZ 75D Compact in .40 S&W (the pistol itself has not yet been imported). This will hold 13-14 rounds of 9mm without illegal alteration. Like all Pro-Mags, minor fitting may be necessary.


4) CZ 82/83 Series Pistols:
CZ 82 (9x18mm), CZ 83 (9x18mm), CZ 83 (.380 ACP), CZ 83 (.32 ACP)

CZ Factory Magazines:

The CZ 82 and CZ 83 in 9x18 (9mm Makarov) are essentially the same pistol. The earlier military version, CZ 82, had a round trigger guard, as did the earliest commercial CZ 83s. Both 9x18 versions take the same magazine, which holds 12 rounds. The CZ 83 in .380 ACP (9mm Browning) uses the exact same magazine, and it holds 12 rounds of .380 as well. These magazines are fairly rare in the U.S., and most CZ 82/83 series pistols that have been imported by CZ-USA had 10 round magazines as OEM.

The CZ 83 in .32 ACP (7.65mm Browning) has an actual magazine capacity of 15 rounds of .32. Apparently, 15 round magazines were not imported into the U.S., or they are exceptionally rare. Apparently, the .32 CZ 83 magazines do not interchange with the 9x18/.380 magazines.

Aftermarket Magazines:

At least one aftermarket manufacturer has made magazines for the CZ 82/83 in 9x18/.380, which hold 13 rounds. The vendors do not identify these magazines by brand name, which means that they are probably made by Forrest, Western, or USA Magazines. These are sold as “CZ 83 .380 magazines,” but they can be made to fit the CZ 82/83 in 9x18 as well.


5) CZ 97B (.45 ACP):

CZ Factory Magazines:

Interestingly enough, the OEM magazines supplied with the CZ 97B are the exact same magazines sold as Mec-Gar aftermarket mags for the full-size EAA Witness in .45 ACP. They are even marked both “Mec-Gar” and “MG-WIT .45.” The 97B was designed with a 10 round capacity, and the 97B was released after the Crime Bill deadline.

Tanfoglio (EAA) Factory Magazines:

The Tanfoglio factory (OEM) magazines for the full-sized EAA Witness in .45 ACP are exactly the same as the Mec-Gars. They have different markings and a red/orange follower, instead of a black one.

Aftermarket Magazines:

As discussed above, the aftermarket Mec-Gar mags for the EAA Witness in .45 are supplied as factory magazines by CZ-USA. These are still available as aftermarket mags at considerably less expense.

Pro Mag also makes 10 round aftermarket magazines for the 97B. I have no information on these magazines, as the higher quality Mec-Gars are still readily available. No one seems to be buying the Pro Mags, since they are only a couple of dollars cheaper.


6) CZ 40B (.40 S&W):

CZ Factory Magazines:

The CZ 40B is not marketed outside of North America, and there are no CZ factory magazines expressly intended for this pistol that hold greater than 10 rounds.

The CZ factory magazines for the full-size 75B in 40 S&W will fit and function in the CZ 40B, but they are not identical. The OEM mags for the CZ 40B have a different base plate, and they will not fit the 75B (.40) without changing them.

The CZ 40B and Colt Z40 take the exact same factory mags. Presumably, the markings are slightly different. Magazines for the Colt Z40 are now rare, but they were sold off very inexpensively by a wholesaler in 2001. There may be quite a few circulating at gun shows, etc.

Tanfoglio (EAA) Factory Magazines:

Since the full-size .40 S&W CZ factory mags will fit the CZ 40B, the same Tanfoglio factory magazines that fit the CZ 75B (.40) will also fit the CZ 40B. See the entry in section #2 (above).

Israeli Military Industries (Magnum Research) Magazines:

Since the full-size .40 S&W CZ factory mags will fit the CZ 40B, the same IMI factory magazines that fit the CZ 75B (.40) will also fit the CZ 40B. See the entry in section #2 (above).

Aftermarket Magazines:

Since the CZ 40B was released after the Crime Bill deadline, there are no aftermarket magazines expressly for the CZ 40B with capacities greater than 10. In fact there do not seem to be any aftermarket mags expressly for the CZ 40B. Since the CZ 40B can take full-size 75B (.40) magazines, please consult the entry in section #2 (above) for more information on aftermarket mags.



k-g
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Posted - 10/05/2015 :  2:14:26 PM  Show Profile Send k-g a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cheaper than Dirt has a page about Witness Magazines, and give the sizes as 1.25"x.82"; and 1.345"x.85".
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Note that pre "88" (and Witness) guns made by Tanfoglio used an even slightly smaller mag. They followed CZ's evolution in that regard.
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Edited by - k-g on 10/07/2015 9:58:21 PM
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Rod Slinger
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Posted - 10/07/2015 :  8:13:41 PM  Show Profile Send Rod Slinger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
k-g This is some impressive work!!! R S

Remembering Col. Jeff Cooper
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k-g
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Posted - 03/21/2017 :  01:22:27 AM  Show Profile Send k-g a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is another EAA source of info for magazines and frame sizes:

eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Magazine-Road-Map-V2.pdf
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asimonp79
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Posted - 07/17/2017 :  06:50:54 AM  Show Profile Send asimonp79 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I got signed in because I want to say thank you for this 1-st post about compatibility
100% solid
Thanks

IPSC here we go
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k-g
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Posted - 07/18/2017 :  10:55:50 PM  Show Profile Send k-g a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You're welcome. The magazine compatibility matter is a big sore on the pistol market. Most shooters don't realize that they are very few different basic bodies and the only differences are notches and length.
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